Lehigh 21-22

Talk about the champions, or the Top 25 nationally-ranked team!
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Re: Lehigh 21-22

Post by HFO » Wed Mar 24, 2021 2:49 pm

What is competitively Nationally? 31st place. Top 25% of 77 teams next year?
What makes anyone think Lehigh will do any better against the 30 teams that finished ahead of them this year?

Lehigh most definitely has holes to fill hopefully with transfer portal. If Stanford goes down, there most definitely are academically qualified men to transfer to Lehigh. As for graduate transfers, Lehigh barely ranks in Top 80 for most graduate programs. There are plenty of options for a wrestler who had a +3.0 GPA and does reasonably well on GRE/GMAT depending on major. For most grad major, Lehigh lacks the student flow to even be breakeven financially. On we go.

Lane/Hines/Paetzell/McGonagle all need to certify as low as possible. They are not Top 8, but each has a shot at R12 next year. See who is still standing year end. Paetzell whom he did wrestle, wrestled well at 141. The UNC guy was an AA. Any of them could starve to 125 or build up bulk to 141.

157 Humphreys. His lack of length would be a problem at 165. Could you imagine him against 6'1" Griffith. Josh will make weight.

149/165/174/184/197 Portal Transfer of R12 ability would help Lehigh whether for 1 year or 2 years. None of Lehigh wrestlers are Saturday ready for NCAA. If not, we have what we had this year qualifiers and few points at NCAA.

285 Wood. Did you see the athletic ability of the Top 4. Even pudgy Schultze of Arizona State can move. Cassioppi was a multi sport athlete. Jordan has to lose weight and gain more flexibility. Has almost nothing from neutral. Relies on his crank over from top. Does not compute with the bigger and better athletic heavy. I posted earlier there were at least 10 NCAA heavys who could beat Jordan. Next year it will be close to 15 unless he slims down and moves more.

I have no grand hopes that Lehigh will be a Top 20 team next year. The recruiting class with Crookham and Casale will hopefully be the talent that brings Lehigh back into Top 10 level. For now, we just don't have the horses. Too much funk and not enough attack neutral fundamental shots. Looks at what won at almost every weightclass at NCAA. Solid singles, doubles, high crotch.


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Re: Lehigh 21-22

Post by Richb-3 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:36 pm

Pretty obvious Paetzell Could not have beaten a champ, not even anyone 3-8, leaving only....
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Re: Lehigh 21-22

Post by TMH » Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:20 pm

What is it about this year being different and having greatly modified expectations except watching our young kids develop that keeps eluding so many.

Look at the NCAA basketball rankings. There is no Duke, no North Carolina, no Kentucky in the top 25. Like it or not, these are not normal times. Some programs went unscathed. Others did not. The Ivy League didn't even bother competing.
Since HFO brought up Johns Hopkins, they are 2-3 in lacrosse not having beaten a single ranked program and is in the top 20 due to name recognition and the fact that the Ivy league is not competing.

When Lehigh shut down everything in October, Covid was racing through the athletic teams. I was told that none were hit harder than wrestling. Only 1 wrestler was not quarantined during this past extended season and many were shut down several times. Even the coaches didn't escape. Nobody knows how good these wrestlers can really perform and how good this team can really do until they have a full summer of working out and a fall of training like many of the teams you are comparing us to. BTW, I'm hearing that Bryant and Lawrence could be pretty special.
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Re: Lehigh 21-22

Post by lu_alum » Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:42 pm

Oracle wrote: Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:16 am >>>>>>> Lane, Hines, Humphreys and Wood are all competitive nationally......and so (now) is Jake Logan. Who but only the very few top tier teams have all 10 competitive? Your standard is waaaay too high.
Not sure that a 3-3 TB2 bout (3 ESC each) in the national tourney against a guy from App State makes Logan competitive nationally - he was a #31 seed and went 6-9 this year against a trimmed-down EIWA schedule.
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Re: Lehigh 21-22

Post by Oracle » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:47 am

The guy from App State was ranked #15 --- his best win and a solid win, even if you have a SoCon bias....and absolutely closed the gap with Pasuik. Great improvement.
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Re: Lehigh 21-22

Post by JAD77 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:02 pm

Oracle wrote: Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:47 am The guy from App State was ranked #15 --- his best win and a solid win, even if you have a SoCon bias....and absolutely closed the gap with Pasuik. Great improvement.
He was definitely a different wrestler come tournament time. Looked to me like he gained confidence, but then what do I know.
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Re: Lehigh 21-22

Post by Oracle » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:15 pm

Lehigh fans just were slow to grasp what no consistent practice meant. Once they got into an uninterrupted routine, the team started to come together and improve. Logan had, what, 4-5 bouts prior to EIWAs? And everyone expects he should have been at peak form? Please. Power 5 teams looked sharp. The EIWA training was decimated due to COVID. The weakest performing conference at nationals without the ivies....the league suffered an unfair humiliation IMO.
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Re: Lehigh 21-22

Post by jdalu75 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:20 pm

Oracle wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:15 pm Lehigh fans just were slow to grasp what no consistent practice meant. Once they got into an uninterrupted routine, the team started to come together and improve. Logan had, what, 4-5 bouts prior to EIWAs? And everyone expects he should have been at peak form? Please. Power 5 teams looked sharp. The EIWA training was decimated due to COVID. The weakest performing conference at nationals without the ivies....the league suffered an unfair humiliation IMO.
Logan lost 4-2 to Pitt's McGill, then beat Caravela and Eakin at Navy. Then he and several other wrestlers disappeared for three weeks. Just a guess, but he either tested positive or else was under quarantine due to exposure to someone else who was. Either way, he wasn't working out for a couple of weeks. Then he lost the MD to Pasiuk in the dual (to be fair, it was Pasiuk's first bout of the season). Next he lost 5-3, sv to UNC's Lautt (at NCAA's Lautt was the 16th seed, lost to Pasiuk, then wrestled back to the R-12). The next day he lost 4-3 to Rider's Garcia. He beat Nolan and Andreano at EIWAs, lost 2-1, tb to O'Malley (runner-up, Drexel's best wrestler), then med forfeited to 4th after tweaking an ankle.

At NCAAs he took down the #2 seed before losing 9-6, won in 11 minutes over the #15 seed (second time qualifying for NCAAs), and lost by a point to #16 Pasiuk.

That's a 5-7 record, not 6-9 as previously reported, in a short season with an enforced break two weeks in. Pat Santoro told me a year ago that Jake came from a program that wasn't all that great, so what he did in high school he essentially did on his own. He needs continuity and work, which he didn't get this year. I'd like to see him at 165, myself; if he stays at 174 he's going to need to lift a lot since he's not going to have leverage. Regardless, he's far from the biggest problem we're facing.
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Re: Lehigh 21-22

Post by Richb-3 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 9:50 pm

Who is shorter between Jake L and Thayer L? Lawrence also is from a program with not a lot of tradition, But I assume that is made up for, somewhat by Young Guns
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Re: Lehigh 21-22

Post by lu_alum » Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:25 pm

jdalu75 wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:20 pm
Oracle wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:15 pm Lehigh fans just were slow to grasp what no consistent practice meant. Once they got into an uninterrupted routine, the team started to come together and improve. Logan had, what, 4-5 bouts prior to EIWAs? And everyone expects he should have been at peak form? Please. Power 5 teams looked sharp. The EIWA training was decimated due to COVID. The weakest performing conference at nationals without the ivies....the league suffered an unfair humiliation IMO.
That's a 5-7 record, not 6-9 as previously reported...
Made an error on the record, as I used what is shown on the final NCAA brackets. Didn’t realize they added the tourney performance into the record shown on the first line.
https://www.ncaa.com/_flysystem/public- ... on%206.pdf
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