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While subjective to Willie Saylor's opinion (and a little dated), here is an article that shows that hs rankings/recruiting rankings do actually correlate to success. Some teams are better than others at producing with them but it still pays off to recruit highly ranked athletes (Obviously). I would bet that the numbers are even more in favor of "top 100" recruits than before.
https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6 ... recruiting
https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6 ... recruiting
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You guys seem to have this one surrounded. Recruiting the best hs wrestlers will translate into having the best college wrestlers with notable exceptions to that rule along the way.
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Pre Cael, Arguably, PSU Had the best recruiting class 3 times, And were no longer in contention by the time of Placement boutsMountain Hawk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:44 pm You guys seem to have this one surrounded. Recruiting the best hs wrestlers will translate into having the best college wrestlers with notable exceptions to that rule along the way.
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with notable exceptions to that rule along the wayRichb-3 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 2:21 pmPre Cael, Arguably, PSU Had the best recruiting class 3 times, And were no longer in contention by the time of Placement boutsMountain Hawk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 1:44 pm You guys seem to have this one surrounded. Recruiting the best hs wrestlers will translate into having the best college wrestlers with notable exceptions to that rule along the way.
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And I pointed outa notable exception. Another would be OkSU with like a half dozen National junior champs, and JimmyJackson.
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The flo article about a decade of recruiting was more boring than a Quincy Monday or Max Dean bout.
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Well recruiting the worst athletes is not a strategy. In expectation theory, of any sample, the E[X] should be some distribution of the values. Thus if I recruit all Flow #1 weight-class ranked wrestlers, over a large enough sample size, I would expect to see some type of distribution that includes #1 NCAA finish. Depending on type of distribution, yes, not all #1 wrestlers will be NCAA Champions. However, if I recruit #1 Flow high schoolers with expectation to finish Top 8, that probability is 8/78 in any given year. In any given tournament, a weigh-class, could have 5 or more #1 ranked wrestlers coming out of high school, one for each year of eligibility. Thus, to make All-American you likely will have to beat a former #1 along the way.
It makes sense to recruit as many of the Top 3 wrestlers from the Top States for wrestling in the nation. 3rd Place finisher many times are the toughest match for the guy who finished 1st. They just have to battle back after a semi-final loss. It helps to assess how much the athlete actually loves the sport, because coming from high school to elite level college is a jump, sans a few dozen true freshmen in history of NCAA.
The head scratcher of Lehigh is it does get very good wrestlers, but now 4 years into the room, few have turned the corner. Is this correlated to John Hughes leaving? Was he the energy in the room pushing the middle weights?
There are plenty of great coaches between Lehigh and LVWC in Bethlehem. There is definitely something amiss with this team this year. Hell, I would have Colin Kilrain come in and explain BUDS and why some with incredible talent do not make it and others who you thought might ring out make it. Some people just have that mental ability to push through all types of setbacks and others just don't muster mental ability to recover from setbacks.
On we go..., it really is not a very good team this year. The wrestling showed it. There are some potential bright spots at NCAA in Beard and Humphreys, possibly 2 others making round of 12, but most of Lehigh wrestlers will be 0 and potato go home.
According to IPEDS, College of Health is up to 19 enrollment with Health Population major. Fall 2021 enrollment. Maybe it got a little better in 2022. Don't get me started on that Lehigh $100 million boondogle. Could have thrown $100 million into a bioengineering or biochemical engineering or even health systems engineering at grad school level and made a huge difference in academic research and contribution to PA bio-medical cluster. Instead, more thinking like Brown/Dartmouth than MIT/Carnegie Mellon.
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q ... 3#programs
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It makes sense to recruit as many of the Top 3 wrestlers from the Top States for wrestling in the nation. 3rd Place finisher many times are the toughest match for the guy who finished 1st. They just have to battle back after a semi-final loss. It helps to assess how much the athlete actually loves the sport, because coming from high school to elite level college is a jump, sans a few dozen true freshmen in history of NCAA.
The head scratcher of Lehigh is it does get very good wrestlers, but now 4 years into the room, few have turned the corner. Is this correlated to John Hughes leaving? Was he the energy in the room pushing the middle weights?
There are plenty of great coaches between Lehigh and LVWC in Bethlehem. There is definitely something amiss with this team this year. Hell, I would have Colin Kilrain come in and explain BUDS and why some with incredible talent do not make it and others who you thought might ring out make it. Some people just have that mental ability to push through all types of setbacks and others just don't muster mental ability to recover from setbacks.
On we go..., it really is not a very good team this year. The wrestling showed it. There are some potential bright spots at NCAA in Beard and Humphreys, possibly 2 others making round of 12, but most of Lehigh wrestlers will be 0 and potato go home.
According to IPEDS, College of Health is up to 19 enrollment with Health Population major. Fall 2021 enrollment. Maybe it got a little better in 2022. Don't get me started on that Lehigh $100 million boondogle. Could have thrown $100 million into a bioengineering or biochemical engineering or even health systems engineering at grad school level and made a huge difference in academic research and contribution to PA bio-medical cluster. Instead, more thinking like Brown/Dartmouth than MIT/Carnegie Mellon.
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q ... 3#programs
Lehigh continues to be a lost institution. It shows in all facets of the corpus.
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Well stated HFO as the college of health is a fad vs the true engineering options that could be applicable to solving health issues.
Lehigh lost its way in the 90’s & it’s passion to be Ivy light vs building off its strengths from the days we ranked #32 in US News rankings.
Wrestling season can be salvaged with an EIWA title or close 2nd to Cornell. Our coaches talk consistently that nothing matters til March so let’s hope we don’t get a repeat of last March. Go Engineers!!!
Lehigh lost its way in the 90’s & it’s passion to be Ivy light vs building off its strengths from the days we ranked #32 in US News rankings.
Wrestling season can be salvaged with an EIWA title or close 2nd to Cornell. Our coaches talk consistently that nothing matters til March so let’s hope we don’t get a repeat of last March. Go Engineers!!!
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Unfortunately many ratings are so much based on the number of majors available.
During the 90's many hospitals and medical systems began affiliating with colleges and universities. Who lost the chance to affiliate with St Lukes. Both LU and SLH were founded by Asa Packer. You could stand on the LU main Campus and hit the SL main campus with a golf ball.
Unfortunately the demise of Beth Steel had to hurt several Engineering Department.
During the 90's many hospitals and medical systems began affiliating with colleges and universities. Who lost the chance to affiliate with St Lukes. Both LU and SLH were founded by Asa Packer. You could stand on the LU main Campus and hit the SL main campus with a golf ball.
Unfortunately the demise of Beth Steel had to hurt several Engineering Department.
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I don't think Tiger could quite do that but it was closeRichb-3 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 9:57 am Unfortunately many ratings are so much based on the number of majors available.
During the 90's many hospitals and medical systems began affiliating with colleges and universities. Who lost the chance to affiliate with St Lukes. Both LU and SLH were founded by Asa Packer. You could stand on the LU main Campus and hit the SL main campus with a golf ball.
Unfortunately the demise of Beth Steel had to hurt several Engineering Department.
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