F&M Scramble, Feb 24th

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F&M Scramble, Feb 24th

Post by jdalu75 » Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:32 pm

Does anyone know anything about this event? It's on F&M's schedule but the link goes nowhere. It's not shown on FloArena or Track's schedule of events. Track OPC does show about 20 F&M wrestlers and three others signed up.

There's also a last chance event the following day at George Mason.


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Re: F&M Scramble, Feb 24th

Post by Richb-3 » Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:54 pm

I saw thee Scramble on their schedule also, Figured if anyone knew, it was you.

So a question, if Crookham can't go AzSU or EIWA, but coaches think he will be fine for NCAA, Can he get an at Large without 15 bouts. Pat says he only has 13. Could he take a 1 second default, then take a 1 second default in first consi round to get to 15? I guess that would Give Fix seed #1.
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Re: F&M Scramble, Feb 24th

Post by mh1 » Mon Feb 19, 2024 6:16 pm

https://www.centennialconference.tv/godiplomats/

Not sure if this is happening. Sounds like a first year effort so probably a lot of moving pieces like our Sheridan Invitational
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Re: F&M Scramble, Feb 24th

Post by jdalu75 » Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:12 pm

Richb-3 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:54 pm I saw thee Scramble on their schedule also, Figured if anyone knew, it was you.

So a question, if Crookham can't go AzSU or EIWA, but coaches think he will be fine for NCAA, Can he get an at Large without 15 bouts. Pat says he only has 13. Could he take a 1 second default, then take a 1 second default in first consi round to get to 15? I guess that would Give Fix seed #1.
Why would I know about something at F&M?

Crookham will earn a pre-allocated spot for the EIWA with just 13 bouts. The 15 is needed for an RPI; with a 13-0 record and a CP ranking in the top 3, the spot is not in question. What he needs is good enough health to be able to wrestle (not fake defaults) two bouts at EIWAs in order to qualify for an at-large in case he doesn't grab one of the pre-allocated spots.
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Re: F&M Scramble, Feb 24th

Post by lu_alum » Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:28 pm

Richb-3 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:54 pm I saw thee Scramble on their schedule also, Figured if anyone knew, it was you.

So a question, if Crookham can't go AzSU or EIWA, but coaches think he will be fine for NCAA, Can he get an at Large without 15 bouts. Pat says he only has 13. Could he take a 1 second default, then take a 1 second default in first consi round to get to 15? I guess that would Give Fix seed #1.
All the recent discussion about RPI has created unnecessary hysteria regarding number of bouts.

RPI is one of seven parameters to determine who gets At Large bids.
● Head-to-head competition — 25%
● Quality wins — 20%
● Qualifying event placement — 15%
● Results against common opponents — 10%
● RPI — 10%
● Coaches rankings — 10%
● Win percentage — 10%

Please review JDA's post on the subject.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22739
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Re: F&M Scramble, Feb 24th

Post by jdalu75 » Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:08 pm

lu_alum wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:28 pm
All the recent discussion about RPI has created unnecessary hysteria regarding number of bouts.

RPI is one of seven parameters to determine who gets At Large bids.
● Head-to-head competition — 25%
● Quality wins — 20%
● Qualifying event placement — 15%
● Results against common opponents — 10%
● RPI — 10%
● Coaches rankings — 10%
● Win percentage — 10%

Please review JDA's post on the subject.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22739
And bear in mind that bouts wrestled in the conference tournaments count towards the 15 needed in the final RPI rankings, the one used in the determination of at-large bids.
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Re: F&M Scramble, Feb 24th

Post by lu_alum » Mon Feb 19, 2024 11:10 pm

jdalu75 wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:08 pm
lu_alum wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:28 pm
All the recent discussion about RPI has created unnecessary hysteria regarding number of bouts.

RPI is one of seven parameters to determine who gets At Large bids.
● Head-to-head competition — 25%
● Quality wins — 20%
● Qualifying event placement — 15%
● Results against common opponents — 10%
● RPI — 10%
● Coaches rankings — 10%
● Win percentage — 10%

Please review JDA's post on the subject.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22739
And bear in mind that bouts wrestled in the conference tournaments count towards the 15 needed in the final RPI rankings, the one used in the determination of at-large bids.
and seeds at NCAAs.

Point is to ensure you've got 15 by the end of the conference tourney.
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Re: F&M Scramble, Feb 24th

Post by JAD77 » Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:18 am

BUT - to Rich’s original question, it appears as if you actually have to actually wrestle 2 bouts in the qualifying tournament, the EIWA’s, in order to even be eligible for an at-large/wildcard bid. Basically, you can’t skip the qualifying tournament, or show up and default twice and expect to get a bid, regardless of what your ranking might be.
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Re: F&M Scramble, Feb 24th

Post by lu_alum » Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:15 am

JAD77 wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:18 am BUT - to Rich’s original question, it appears as if you actually have to actually wrestle 2 bouts in the qualifying tournament, the EIWA’s, in order to even be eligible for an at-large/wildcard bid. Basically, you can’t skip the qualifying tournament, or show up and default twice and expect to get a bid, regardless of what your ranking might be.
Qualifying tourney is the only path to NCAA.

The requirement to compete in two legitimate bouts began after the B1G reseeded a bracket to allow Dustin Schlatter to Med Forfeit his way into the NCAA tourney. In addition to moving Schlatter out of the #1 seed, they bumped the #3 over the #2 to the top seed. Pretty shady. A lot of folks now call this requirement the "Schlatter Rule".

From the PSU pre-tourney press release:
With top pre-seed Dustin Schlatter of Minnesota getting set to compete but to take two medical forfeits on Saturday, the entire weight was reseeded. Sanderson held is No. 2 seed as Purdue's Colton Salazar moved up from No. 3 to No. 1. Sanderson received a first round bye and will face the winner of unseeded Clint Arliss of Illinois and Northwestern's Kevin Bialka in the quarterfinals.
Here's the resulting 157 bracket from Schlatter's senior year: https://s3.amazonaws.com/bigten.org/doc ... ts0307.pdf
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Re: F&M Scramble, Feb 24th

Post by The Kid » Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:02 am

Is there any word on Crookham’s injury … whether he’s expected to be 100% for EIWAs or limping along?
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