What Special Designation Looks Like

[HFO]

Bringing Quinnipiac into the discussion was not so we could use their model. It's just an example of targeting a sport for uber success. There would be no need to reduce anything at LU. All sports continue on as before. Wrestling has the best chance to move to the top tier of any sport at Lehigh. Hopkins targets LAX -- is D3 in everything else. There is no way they don't have admissions leeway.

Now if Lehigh could have the College of Health affiliated with the state system for in-state tuition purposes ..... we'd have something wouldn't we? Or would that be offensive to the Cornell fans on this board? Moving in on their monopoly.

Endowment will be at $2 billion within the next 3 years. We got the money. Does the administration have the will to designate Wrestling as the premier identity sport. We cannot even get weekly press releases. So that essentially answers the question. Thank you Mike Caruso for the upgrade to Grace. What have you done for us lately seems to be their perspective. Perella used to buy a box at NCAA. I know he is now an old guy like men and now retired so I do not know if he still does that.

Travis Doto seems to someone emerging in the under 50 crowd that is putting skin into the game. Seems we lost most of the 1980s-early 1990s guys. It happens. Family, work and new activities. So it will take another younger big pockets type of guy to make inroads with whomever new AD is and President's Office to influence admission policy.

What I fear is that LVWC will be training our competitors. Used properly, LVWC should be the premier selling point to STAY LEHIGH for locals, but I see a future where the spoils will go to Cornell and the Big 10. Lehigh Valley has a great youth development league. The best of these guys come in ready as freshmen in college. LVWC has most of them training as did Cuvo and some other teams. Greg was dialed into all of that. He had plenty of misses of guys who didn't stay at Lehigh once they were in. So has Pat. What is changing is that we just are not getting enough of the best out of D1, D3, D11, Blair, Wyoming Seminary or the Top NJ teams. We are getting some, but not enough to obviously keep up with the Top 10 anymore.

I don't think the coaching has changed, so it has to be that Pat just cannot get these guys in anymore the way that Gerry, Thad and Greg did.

[NothingMeaningful]

Bringing Quinnipiac into the discussion was not so we could use their model. It's just an example of targeting a sport for uber success. There would be no need to reduce anything at LU. All sports continue on as before. Wrestling has the best chance to move to the top tier of any sport at Lehigh. Hopkins targets LAX -- is D3 in everything else. There is no way they don't have admissions leeway.

Now if Lehigh could have the College of Health affiliated with the state system for in-state tuition purposes ..... we'd have something wouldn't we? Or would that be offensive to the Cornell fans on this board? Moving in on their monopoly.

Why would that bother us? Would it be offensive to Lehigh fans if Cornell added 9.9 scholarships?

Cornell this year will have eight non-NYS starters, who are ineligible for that in-state tuition and cannot receive an athletic scholarship. They might have as many starters from Bethlehem (Ungar and Handlovic) as they have NY residents (Arujau and Loew). How much of the gap do you think would be closed by Lehigh having a state-affiliated college with reduced tuition?

I have no idea what Lehigh can do to improve its national standing in wrestling. The staff impressively always seems to get the most out of the guys they do have in the room. Elite HSers who can get in will not choose Lehigh over Ivy schools, even if schools like Cornell might coattail on the reputation of HYP. Whales will not choose Lehigh over Penn State, especially those from Pennsylvania. Lehigh needs to regain its academic reputation...and it didn't lose it because it is too "woke."

[Oracle]

Yawn......NM doesn't even know when someone is kidding anymore.

Lighten up Francis

[NothingMeaningful]

Yawn......NM doesn't even know when someone is kidding anymore.

Lighten up Francis

There's always the possibility that if someone doesn't get a joke, the problem is with the joke.

[HFO]

Bringing Quinnipiac into the discussion was not so we could use their model. It's just an example of targeting a sport for uber success. There would be no need to reduce anything at LU. All sports continue on as before. Wrestling has the best chance to move to the top tier of any sport at Lehigh. Hopkins targets LAX -- is D3 in everything else. There is no way they don't have admissions leeway.

Now if Lehigh could have the College of Health affiliated with the state system for in-state tuition purposes ..... we'd have something wouldn't we? Or would that be offensive to the Cornell fans on this board? Moving in on their monopoly.

Why would that bother us? Would it be offensive to Lehigh fans if Cornell added 9.9 scholarships?

Cornell this year will have eight non-NYS starters, who are ineligible for that in-state tuition and cannot receive an athletic scholarship. They might have as many starters from Bethlehem (Ungar and Handlovic) as they have NY residents (Arujau and Loew). How much of the gap do you think would be closed by Lehigh having a state-affiliated college with reduced tuition?

I have no idea what Lehigh can do to improve its national standing in wrestling. The staff impressively always seems to get the most out of the guys they do have in the room. Elite HSers who can get in will not choose Lehigh over Ivy schools, even if schools like Cornell might coattail on the reputation of HYP. Whales will not choose Lehigh over Penn State, especially those from Pennsylvania. Lehigh needs to regain its academic reputation...and it didn't lose it because it is too "woke."

Harvard Z-List Admissions. Nothing new, just once again put out there by press who feed on the hands that feed Harvard.
https://nypost.com/2023/11/06/news/harv ... fied-kids/


None. It is the admissions process that needs tweaking. PA legislature for decades has been shifting the burden of funding to the institutions. It is not adding nothing. It is combining faculty and facilities in SSHE universities and rebranding them. It has closed numerous PSU campuses over the past 40 years. It has decreased % of funding for Pitt, Penn State and Temple for years that they are "essentially private" institutions. The vast percentage of funding is private and no longer public. Pitt/Penn State have huge billion + $ endowments which will only grow bigger. Their research dollars from outside dwarf Lehigh.

It doesn't take big decision moves. It just takes a President sending a memo to Director of Admissions that a policy change for "special abilities" applicants and then set a number . They will already be doing it for 1st generation college students, backdoor essay evaluation to identify target demographic admits, and all the other techniques of the admission industry group think. What it does take is a powerful alumni who can influence a stay or go of the President. Remember, these guys leave academia faculty jobs for the money & prestige. Personally, I think the moves Heible is making are an all in on the current sociological movements du jour. He seems to be type of person that will stick with that until his contract ends or is terminated. So I don't expect him to be at Lehigh beyond 2028. He shows little to no concern about athletics so it will all be for naught.

[Oracle]

Yawn......NM doesn't even know when someone is kidding anymore.

Lighten up Francis

There's always the possibility that if someone doesn't get a joke, the problem is with the joke.

>>>>>>>> Well, I suppose. But do you really think I was serious intimating PSU-Bethlehem? It was an obvious poke at SUNY-Ithaca and the Ag School. Maybe not so obvious to you.

[mookie]

Would love to see Pat's recruiting process map. Sterrett should ask to review it weekly…if one even exists.

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2022 ... nasty.html

[ngineer]

Bringing Quinnipiac into the discussion was not so we could use their model. It's just an example of targeting a sport for uber success. There would be no need to reduce anything at LU. All sports continue on as before. Wrestling has the best chance to move to the top tier of any sport at Lehigh. Hopkins targets LAX -- is D3 in everything else. There is no way they don't have admissions leeway.

Now if Lehigh could have the College of Health affiliated with the state system for in-state tuition purposes ..... we'd have something wouldn't we? Or would that be offensive to the Cornell fans on this board? Moving in on their monopoly.

No, only if we opened an College of Agriculture.

[Sundayamqb]

Would an NIL program well-funded by alumni yield QU-type success?

[FloridaGuy]

>>>>>>>The key is attracting elite talent on a consistent basis———— a well funded NIL program would, imo, significantly help recruiting and retaining talent.

One advantage of the NIL process is that it can target athletes and/or sports that alums & boosters are focused on.

A group of interested alums/ boosters can raise funds explicitly for elite wrestling talent—— to augment and surpass school based athletic and financial scholarships.

I don’t think any program catches psu in the near term, but recruiting elite wrestling talent will improve Lehigh’s EIWA, NCAA & dual meet performance.