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Back-to-back PL champs 2016 and 2017.... but need to get back to relevance in the national FCS scene.
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Re: Penn

Post by DF2002 » Mon Oct 11, 2021 2:53 pm

IPSY1975 wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:56 pm Some good Posts here especially by HFO who describes LU resting on its laurels. We need to move into the 21st Century and become a Top 300 University worldwide by offering online courses for a Certificate like Carnegie Mellon and Penn. Increase your exposure/reputation to thousands of students worldwide.
And yes, redo Board of Trustees as well. That way we avoid throwing money into bad programs like School of Health. We need CEOs bus leaders Lehigh grads armed with critical thinking. What about Charlie Dent? I see him on CNN all the time. I am not trying to get political, but when you google Lehigh it shows him as famous grad. My only dispute with HFO post is timing of TG dismissal which should be quicker ...pay the bums severance . Its not going be like Nick Saban lmao.
What do LUEngineer and Rich H see in these players that make them believe they are talented? Which players are those? The best player QB Bessmer went via Transfer portal thanks to this Coach and his problems!! IMO TG has done a very bad job of recruiting. LUFAN is spot on TG probably not very well liked by the players but now he needs them. With the debacle unfolding it will turn off too many potential student athletes . So you have to let Gilmore go effective 11/22/21. That's sending a better message and gives new kids a fresh start. Then say goodbye to Sterrett the end of 2022 school year.
+1.

Putting football aside for the moment to talk about the other issues you mentioned- Lehigh should ALSO have/be investing more in existing programs where it had/ has some relative strengths that were not fully developed.

This is going to roll some eyes but as an example, the former (and maybe still current) chair of the international relations department was White House staff. He was published. He had real world experience; appeared somewhat frequently as a guest analyst on cable news; and was widely known and respected in the field.

There was also a pols professor who was undervalued and left to take a fellowship at PRINCETON where he published and taught for a few years before moving to BC to start a center on Constitutional Law/Development, etc. For anyone not familiar with the field, the guy’s name is known and respected nationally- for academic reasons rather than political ones.

The hard sciences will always be the bread and butter but there is no reason Lehigh cannot and should not have more like Charlie Dent graduate from its ranks and leading in government, philanthropy, public policy, economics etc.

Lehigh could be unique in the patriot league by being strong in both hard science and soft science and some very specific other fields that are translatable to non-engineering/business careers that are value added to the school.

The problem is the admin has been more preoccupied with optics than education so if the investment didn’t further the image of their wannabe ivy narrative, they skipped it.

I’m screaming into the wind, I know.


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Re: Penn

Post by LUFAN » Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:39 pm

IPSY1975 wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:56 pm Some good Posts here especially by HFO who describes LU resting on its laurels. We need to move into the 21st Century and become a Top 300 University worldwide by offering online courses for a Certificate like Carnegie Mellon and Penn. Increase your exposure/reputation to thousands of students worldwide.
And yes, redo Board of Trustees as well. That way we avoid throwing money into bad programs like School of Health. We need CEOs bus leaders Lehigh grads armed with critical thinking. What about Charlie Dent? I see him on CNN all the time. I am not trying to get political, but when you google Lehigh it shows him as famous grad. My only dispute with HFO post is timing of TG dismissal which should be quicker ...pay the bums severance . Its not going be like Nick Saban lmao.
What do LUEngineer and Rich H see in these players that make them believe they are talented? Which players are those? The best player QB Bessmer went via Transfer portal thanks to this Coach and his problems!! IMO TG has done a very bad job of recruiting. LUFAN is spot on TG probably not very well liked by the players but now he needs them. With the debacle unfolding it will turn off too many potential student athletes . So you have to let Gilmore go effective 11/22/21. That's sending a better message and gives new kids a fresh start. Then say goodbye to Sterrett the end of 2022 school year.
Lehigh staff is known to be year to year....so pay him through 12/31. Cannot say that with any certainty but that is what I have been told.
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Re: Penn

Post by RichH » Mon Oct 11, 2021 4:35 pm

Assts are year to year. HC may be but there have been multi year contracts.
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Re: Penn

Post by Sundayamqb » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:01 pm

LU808 wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:16 pm
CHIP72 wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:25 am
StablerBum wrote: Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:43 pm When is the last time Sterrett fired a coach in any sport for performance? Has he ever done it? I don't follow all the Olympic sports, but the last coaching change for wins and losses that comes to mind is Sal Mentesana 20 years ago. And he had about 4 years of having among the worst teams in the country.

That's probably the best indication of whether or not a move is likely.
You know things are really bad when a coach is being mentioned in the same sentence as Sal Mentesana unless it is in the context of "he's a lot better than Sal Mentesana".

YIKES...YOU'RE RIGHT!


Season School Conf G W L W-L% SRS SOS AP Pre AP High AP Final Notes Adjusted
1996-97 Lehigh Patriot 27 1 26 .037 -24.07 -6.63
1997-98 Lehigh Patriot 27 10 17 .370 -15.69 -7.45
1998-99 Lehigh Patriot 28 6 22 .214 -19.97 -7.59
1999-00 Lehigh Patriot 29 8 21 .276 -15.40 -6.25
2000-01 Lehigh Patriot 29 13 16 .448 -10.30 -8.33
2001-02 Lehigh Patriot 28 5 23 .179 -14.16 -6.50
Career Lehigh 168 43 125 .256 -16.60 -7.12

Other than his duds, ole Sal didn't have much on Tom Pugliese.

Pugliese started 8-17 with MBB in 72-73, regressed to 3-21 and 1-23, probably under Leckonby. That's a .164 winning percentage at LU -- better than the best-dressed coach.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/co ... ese-1.html

Gilmore will go 4-7, 0-3 and ???
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Re: Penn

Post by LUEngineer » Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:27 pm

Charlie Dent is a Penn State grad who got his masters at Lehigh so strange that Lehigh takes credit for him. Not to mention that the guy accomplished nothing in Congress to be proud of in all his years.

Then he became a turncoat supporting left wing liberal Democrat Wilde against the republican candidate for his seat.
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Re: Penn

Post by DF2002 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:49 am

LUEngineer wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:27 pm Charlie Dent is a Penn State grad who got his masters at Lehigh so strange that Lehigh takes credit for him. Not to mention that the guy accomplished nothing in Congress to be proud of in all his years.

Then he became a turncoat supporting left wing liberal Democrat Wilde against the republican candidate for his seat.
I don’t think party is relevant to the conversation. The larger point remains. You can use Leonard lance as an example. NJ - District 7 (prior to Malinowski). Lehigh undergrad.
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Re: Penn

Post by CHIP72 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:06 am

Sundayamqb wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:01 pm
LU808 wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:16 pm
CHIP72 wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:25 am

You know things are really bad when a coach is being mentioned in the same sentence as Sal Mentesana unless it is in the context of "he's a lot better than Sal Mentesana".

YIKES...YOU'RE RIGHT!


Season School Conf G W L W-L% SRS SOS AP Pre AP High AP Final Notes Adjusted
1996-97 Lehigh Patriot 27 1 26 .037 -24.07 -6.63
1997-98 Lehigh Patriot 27 10 17 .370 -15.69 -7.45
1998-99 Lehigh Patriot 28 6 22 .214 -19.97 -7.59
1999-00 Lehigh Patriot 29 8 21 .276 -15.40 -6.25
2000-01 Lehigh Patriot 29 13 16 .448 -10.30 -8.33
2001-02 Lehigh Patriot 28 5 23 .179 -14.16 -6.50
Career Lehigh 168 43 125 .256 -16.60 -7.12

Other than his duds, ole Sal didn't have much on Tom Pugliese.

Pugliese started 8-17 with MBB in 72-73, regressed to 3-21 and 1-23, probably under Leckonby. That's a .164 winning percentage at LU -- better than the best-dressed coach.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/co ... ese-1.html

Gilmore will go 4-7, 0-3 and ???
Pugliese is before my time (not only because I didn't attend Lehigh but also because I was an infant/toddler at the time), but Lehigh men's basketball was an afterthought for most of its history prior to their surprise ECC tournament run and NCAA Tournament appearance in 1985. By contrast, during Mentesana's tenure (and during Gilmore's current tenure with the football team) expectations were higher; Lehigh had actually had successful seasons people could actually remember.

Having said the above, Tom Gilmore is in the process of putting both Sal Mentesana and Tom Pugliese to shame.
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Re: Penn

Post by mookie » Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:02 pm

Jon Gruden is available. He'd be a popular choice for most on this forum.
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Re: Penn

Post by Sundayamqb » Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:50 pm

mookie wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:02 pm Jon Gruden is available. He'd be a popular choice for most on this forum.
Provocative as always, Mookie. Not sure he'd do any better.
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Re: Penn

Post by LU808 » Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:33 pm

mookie wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 12:02 pm Jon Gruden is available. He'd be a popular choice for most on this forum.
He has my vote.
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