Gaige Garcia

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Re: Gaige Garcia

Post by jdalu75 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:29 am

Back to wrestling ... I notice that neither Intermat nor FloSports felt Garcia's transfer was worthy of mention, other than in Flo's transfer tracker page. Shane Griffith deciding to stay at Stanford was much bigger news and Intermat ran a story on that.

I have to wonder about the accuracy of the tracker pages. Griffith's entry shows him as a Graduate transfer. But his Stanford biography (not yet updated to show his national title) shows him as a 2018 HS graduate who redshirted in 2018-19, wrestled in 2019-20, and wrestled again in 2020-21 (The Year That Did Not Count, in some ways). "Graduate" suggests to me that the athlete has earned a degree and has just one year remaining. I guess Griffith has three years of eligibility remaining, which means that he and not Yianni might be Koll's second 4x NCAA champion.


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Re: Gaige Garcia

Post by gimpeltf » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:25 am

The plan for graduate transfer was based on finishing the degree at Stanford by August. Don't know what the plan is now. He might stay undergrad for the year.
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Re: Gaige Garcia

Post by TMH » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:15 pm

gimpeltf wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:58 pm Rules for multi-sport athletes
The NCAA also has rules specifying the sport in which multi-sport athletes are to be counted, with the basic rules being:[54]

Anyone who participates in football is counted in that sport, even if he does not receive financial aid from the football program. An exception exists for players at non-scholarship FCS programs who receive aid in another sport.[55]
Participants in basketball are counted in that sport, unless they also play football.
Participants in men's ice hockey are counted in that sport, unless they also play football or basketball.
Participants in both men's swimming and diving and men's water polo are counted in swimming and diving, unless they count in football or basketball.
Participants in women's (indoor) volleyball are counted in that sport unless they also play basketball.
All other multi-sport athletes are counted in whichever sport the school chooses.
I have been thinking about this concept lately and although I fully get the rationale, I wonder how NCAA policy intersects with University policy. Garcia, for ex was only recruited by FCS type schools for football but was a much hotter commodity for wrestling. So he takes up a spot on the football team although he is more likely a PWO but if the financing comes from wrestling, it still doesn't count as part of the 9.9? This is above my pay scale.

Also thinking about the transfer portal. I think the common perception is that it is athlete driven. I had an awakening when my son went to Duquesne. They had recruited for 76er/current Pacer TJ McConnell as a small sophomore. There was only 1 graduating senior the year he would arrive. Somehow they managed to recruit 4 more players. That summer , 4 players announced they were transferring. Scholarships on the FBS level at least are only year to year. Fail to meet expectations and it's gone. Duquesne has 3-4 transfers every year in basketball. I guess I lived in my perceived Lehigh world that in most sports, if you are awarded a scholarship, they honor it unless you drop the sport.
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Re: Gaige Garcia

Post by drd5748 » Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:56 pm

I once opined that Damian Hahn at 5'10" would be "too short" for 190 after two 5ths at 177; we know how that went

Terry DeStito '75 was ncaa 6 at 167 as soph (EIWA 2,2,1 thru jr jr at 177); had no business going hwt at 5'9" 215 as senior ... but somehow won EIWA, got #3 ncaa seed (1 loss) and placed 5th

Mike Newbern '79 (graduated '80) was 5'8" mostly 158/165 but wrestled hwt as a jr, beating NCAA 4 Jack Campbell, Clarion (2x EWL 1), 11-6; tied EIWA 1 Dan House, Wilkes, 11-11 and lost 17-16 to future hwt OW Howard Harris. All 3 rival hwts were 6'3" or 6'4"

In Lehigh's other great hwt miracle, the 1959 EIWA 1st at 147, John Driscoll (about 5'7") won the huge Pitt dual in Grace by beating the 1960 EIWA hwt 3rd, Bob Guzik -- a renowned Panther linebacker, 6'"2 230

Bobby Weaver '83 was about 5'1"; judged "too small" for 118 by many fans; didn't cut any wt for us until 6 yrs out of HS ....But somehow managed NCAA 3rd, EIWA 2,1,1 and was 52-12-2 with 16 WBF, 31 bonus wins.

Nate Brown '16 was under 5'10" but was ncaa 2,7 at 184 while certified at 174
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Re: Gaige Garcia

Post by drd5748 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:12 am

Some moron PSU fan posted this on March 20, 2014 en route to a PSU 7th at 197
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LionTime99
Morgan's problems have nothing to do with weight and everything to do with height.
You simply can't be a top 197 if you are 5'9.
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And I guess he had an astute point, with McIntosh never doing better than NCAA 2,3
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Re: Gaige Garcia

Post by Spladle1989 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:39 am

Ok i get the point, there are “exceptional” exceptions but most are taller than 5’10”…..thanks
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Re: Gaige Garcia

Post by jdalu75 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:56 pm

The best thing about wrestling is that almost any physical attribute can be an advantage. Too tall? Learn how to throw in the boots. Too short? Make them come to you, then pounce. In the early 1940s Penn had an EIWA champ who was totally blind; I'll guarantee he didn't fall for head fakes.

I remember John Harmon insisting, after watching Anthony Robles's NCAA championship run, that he was convinced that those wrestling against Robles were the ones at a disadvantage.
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Robles was physically bigger than most 125 lbs'ers

Post by D3 for LU » Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:54 pm

Sure... imho had he two legs, it would've been a hard cut to 141.
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Re: Robles was physically bigger than most 125 lbs'ers

Post by jdalu75 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:05 pm

D3 for LU wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:54 pm Sure... imho had he two legs, it would've been a hard cut to 141.
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No question. But beyond that, no one knew how to ride him. Opponents kept trying to tie up a leg that wasn't there. It's not like anyone had a practice partner who could imitate him.
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Re: Gaige Garcia

Post by drd5748 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:57 pm

2000 - 125 - 4th - C.J. Hill, Cal St-Fullerton

Shortest-ever A/A in modern day era, at least. I had a good seat that year.

4'11"
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