Coleman Scott

[Justafan]

Oracle,

A couple of takes.

1.) Academics at Lehigh are still a priority but don't believe for a second that everyone on the wrestling team has a 1300 on their SAT. For many, wrestling is viewed as their ticket to Lehigh and then it is up to them to succeed in both the academic and athletic arena.

Money is the lifeblood of every University especially the private ones. Football and basketball success brings in big dollars in so many ways. Even the Notre Dames of the world will play loose around the edges when analyzing in a cost/benefit scenario. Notre Dame obviously didn't feel the same way about wrestling when they dropped the program.

Just my opinion.

[Oracle]

Oracle says HOPE is not a strategy! No argument here..

Preferable would be GEORGE PATTON's admonishment .. LET'S GO FUCK-UP THEM NAZIS!

BTW, as much as we admire Pat's WRESTLING acumen we cannot absolve him from some of the program's short-comings, as RECRUITING falls under the umbrella of his numerous job responsibilities. However ONE cannot offer what ONE does not have!

Thus I do nelieve the RIGHT-FIT is a-pro-pos whan it comes to a prospective recruit surveying the collegiate landscape of opportunity.

>>>>>>>>> Does everyone understand how incredibly lucky LU would have to be to mat an NCAA championship level team with only guys who were "the right fit?" So, for a 4/5 years recruiting cycle, *every recruit* would have to be elite, be the right fit, and accept out package because, after all, they are the right fit! That's why some of us think this is all jibber jabber. However, if LU could figure out how to present attractive financial packages, early on in the process, with the talent just in the Valley, that would be a game changer. This is why I'm saying 20 guys in the room have to be above average to great. Elites want other elites to work out with, not just RTC partners. Right now, there are maybe 10. Lots of numbers, not lots of starters (guys who could be inserted and have success against top competition.)

[1/2NELSON]

BEN ASKREN on job search/hire at Oklhoma State:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgtPGPxOQhY

[mookie]

Lehigh coaches suffer from PGS (pretty girl syndrome). You feel like a beautiful woman wants to be with a handsome man, and you don’t consider yourself attractive. It's easier to talk to average looking or ugly women, thinking your chances of being rejected are less.

That's Lehigh recruiting. Fearful of approaching the best wrestlers so why bother, they would never consider going to little old Lehigh. Introverted personalities afraid of rejection so instead spend time on lesser prospects they feel would be more likely to listen.

[Justafan]

Now that is just plain stupid.

When you get a chance, hop over to campus and ask Pat about the absolute studs that had Lehigh on their very short list. In the end , it's the girl who chooses what handsome guy they go to the dance with. It's not always about the looks.

[Lvg123]

Lehigh just cannot recruit. They struggle to get guys in the top 100. Let alone the top 50. They have two guys in the bottom half of the top 100 coming in this year. Lock haven has a far better class than Lehigh coming in. And You can’t say it due to NIL at a small school like Lock Haven. They just recruited better. You’re starting to see small schools like Edinboro get top 100 recruits. On mats scout they said next year could be big for Lehigh. Unfortunately they ended up striking out with all the big names. The biggest problem Lehigh has is they don’t have a lot of appeal to a 17 year old kid. No big name Assistant. No Yianna in the RTC. Nothing. There is nothing telling these kids to go to Lehigh. No one is saying they don’t have good coaches and good guys in the RTC. They do got a really good staff. Henderson was a really big addition to the staff. Lehigh should continue to recruit these guys in the bottom half of the top 100 and work on their development. They will come across the Stanich’s from time to time. I think expectations are too high at Lehigh. Unless there is some kind of change they should be content with the 15-20 range. That’s not a bad thing. Maybe they can bring in a recruiting coordinator like some of these big schools.

[LUEngineer]

Mookie blowing hot air out there just to keep us talking. Our coaches do go after the best that they believe fit our culture which includes a desire for an education.

Many of the Top 50 kids are not the least bit compatable academically Many simply want to go to college to wrestle only & take minimal course load in kinesiology or recreation. Those are not someone that Pat should waste his time on & they sort that out in the very beginning & I believe we should all agree on that?

The balance of those top kids that exhibit any degree of interest in Lehigh are not ignored. If you are recruiting someone for a job, a huge factor is their interest in working for your company is a huge part of sorting out the rest. No sense spending time on someone that only wants an Ivy League degree. Lehigh is not in the Ivy League nor should we ever want to be. Now that the Ivies spun off from EIWA we can’t even try to say we are pseudo Ivy.

I could make a case that the Ivies left the EIWA because they were tired of Lehigh taking recruits from them!!!

[Spladle1989]

Those are not someone that Pat should waste his time on & they sort that out in the very beginning & I believe we should all agree on that?

I could make a case that the Ivies left the EIWA because they were tired of Lehigh taking recruits from them!!!

Nope, and huh?

[HFO]

Oracle says HOPE is not a strategy! No argument here..

Preferable would be GEORGE PATTON's admonishment .. LET'S GO FUCK-UP THEM NAZIS!

BTW, as much as we admire Pat's WRESTLING acumen we cannot absolve him from some of the program's short-comings, as RECRUITING falls under the umbrella of his numerous job responsibilities. However ONE cannot offer what ONE does not have!

Thus I do nelieve the RIGHT-FIT is a-pro-pos whan it comes to a prospective recruit surveying the collegiate landscape of opportunity.

>>>>>>>>> Does everyone understand how incredibly lucky LU would have to be to mat an NCAA championship level team with only guys who were "the right fit?" So, for a 4/5 years recruiting cycle, *every recruit* would have to be elite, be the right fit, and accept out package because, after all, they are the right fit! That's why some of us think this is all jibber jabber. However, if LU could figure out how to present attractive financial packages, early on in the process, with the talent just in the Valley, that would be a game changer. This is why I'm saying 20 guys in the room have to be above average to great. Elites want other elites to work out with, not just RTC partners. Right now, there are maybe 10. Lots of numbers, not lots of starters (guys who could be inserted and have success against top competition.)

You get it. A lot of us get it. Every year there are the 2-3 best athletes at each weight class coming out of high school. Multiple that by 5 years, at NCAA you have as many as 15 of the most elite wrestlers of their generation who want to be NCAA Champion. Of those 15, maybe 4 have a legitimate shot. While not every #1 becomes an NCAA Champion, the probabilities of landing an All American rise as you rise up the rankings. Expecting Pat year in and year out to turn out a Robert Hamlin is not reasonable.

To be an elite program, you need to be landing the Top 3 guys. You land a Top 7 guy each year, you might not even be in running to get them NCAA Qualified in the Top 33. What is consistent is that PA leads the way every year at NCAA for number of All Americans. The writing is on the wall you get the Top 3 out of PA that you can each year in PA. For years, those guys from District 11 have been going elsewhere. That needs to be a priority to land these guys when early contact is allow for sophomores. Get them the whole packaged lineup for admissions and financial aid by summer before Junior year so that they can apply first round early admissions.

Nothing against all the Lehigh wrestlers who put in the work and strive to get their day on the mat, but where Lehigh was in the late 1960s and 1970s to where it is at now leaves room for improvement. Pat is an outstanding man, but Lehigh is nowhere near where it needs to be as a program. I do not put the blame on Pat. The money is there. We just have to figure out how to connect Lehigh to the local high school wrestlers again the way that Greg Strobel was able to do. This had faded. I thought given Pat's Becahi roots he would make inroads, but it was minimal through the years. Blair also another alma mater dropped off the radar for a number of years, but thankfully it is back and hopefully make a difference.

The future of Lehigh Wrestling is District 11 wrestling. There are a pipeline of elites coming out over the next 2 years and so far we have none of them!

[HFO]

Now that is just plain stupid.

When you get a chance, hop over to campus and ask Pat about the absolute studs that had Lehigh on their very short list. In the end , it's the girl who chooses what handsome guy they go to the dance with. It's not always about the looks.

Then we need to become more handsome! We are not dancing. Crookham and Stanich could be the reversal. Where they are will attract wrestlers a weightclass below and a weightclass above to train with. This week, a nice pic of Evan Henderson sporting a Lehigh Wrestling t-shirt training with Beau Bartlett, the sophomore phenom who crushed Carter Bailey in an early season tournament. Bailey later would beat his teammate Connor McGonagle, now off apparently to be the starting 133 for VA Tech. In fact, Beau finished higher in Men's Senior Freestyle than Evan Henderson. Landing someone like Beau for 149 would be HUGE for LEHIGH. The pipeline at Bishop McCort is deep. Could be a road to more, but obviously they are in Penn State neck of the woods so it will be once again, a tough date to get to the dance.