Recruiting isn't over until it's over

Talk about the champions, or the Top 25 nationally-ranked team!
Oracle
Posts: 2396
Joined: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:47 am
Contact:

Recruiting isn't over until it's over

Post by Oracle » Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:40 am

Am I the last to notice Peyton Craft, Blair Academy, long-time Princeton commit, is now listed under Cornell?


jdalu75
Posts: 2075
Joined: Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:33 pm
Contact:

Re: Recruiting isn't over until it's over

Post by jdalu75 » Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:40 am

Oracle wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:40 am Am I the last to notice Peyton Craft, Blair Academy, long-time Princeton commit, is now listed under Cornell?
Probably. Flowrestling announced his switch in November.

A better question is how much wrestling is he expecting to do at Cornell? Last I saw he competed at 195, and wrestled against Foca in a bout which suggests he can make 184. Even with Max gone (PSU bound?), Foca has four years at 184, Darmstadt has two more at 197, Cardenas and Hatcher have four at 197, Loew and Fagen both have three left. They have pretty good upperweight recruits in Evan Canoyer and Justin Mayes. Brody Conley recently de-committed, possibly not liking the logjam developing. I know all about the value of the Ivy parchment, but don't these guys also want to wrestle?
7,060,347
Oracle
Posts: 2396
Joined: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:47 am
Contact:

Re: Recruiting isn't over until it's over

Post by Oracle » Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:45 am

jda makes all the right points.....if Ivy was the goal, why not stay at Princeton? Looks like Coack Koll is playing keep away from other EIWA programs and stock-piling. Not sure how he does it but he does -- consistently.
whiz wit
Posts: 1967
Joined: Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:53 pm
Contact:

Re: Recruiting isn't over until it's over

Post by whiz wit » Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:55 am

Maybe they're all confident that they'll be the starter. Will be interesting to see what, if anything, happens in the way of transfers when it turns out that some aren't.
whiz wit
Posts: 1967
Joined: Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:53 pm
Contact:

Re: Recruiting isn't over until it's over

Post by whiz wit » Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:20 pm

Oracle wrote: Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:45 am jda makes all the right points.....if Ivy was the goal, why not stay at Princeton? Looks like Coack Koll is playing keep away from other EIWA programs and stock-piling. Not sure how he does it but he does -- consistently.
Between his stock-piling and playing keep away on top of his SUNY advantage, Koll must be hugely popular with his fellow Ivy League wrestling coaches.
Oracle
Posts: 2396
Joined: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:47 am
Contact:

Re: Recruiting isn't over until it's over

Post by Oracle » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:14 am

Yes, initially, there was plenty of carping from fellow Ivy coaches -- especially on admissions. By now, it is what it is. All legal and more importantly ethical. There isn't one Ivy coach that wouldn't take full advantage of what coach Koll has taken advantage of were they in his position.

What all the Ivies conveniently ignore is the financial piece. "9.9 is for suckers, baby."
whiz wit
Posts: 1967
Joined: Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:53 pm
Contact:

Re: Recruiting isn't over until it's over

Post by whiz wit » Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:56 am

Oracle wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:14 am Yes, initially, there was plenty of carping from fellow Ivy coaches -- especially on admissions. By now, it is what it is. All legal and more importantly ethical. There isn't one Ivy coach that wouldn't take full advantage of what coach Koll has taken advantage of were they in his position.

What all the Ivies conveniently ignore is the financial piece. "9.9 is for suckers, baby."
I've come across the "sucker" line before but can't remember who said it or what it meant other than some way to get around the limitation on athletic scholarships. How does it relate to Koll and/or the Ivies?
Oracle
Posts: 2396
Joined: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:47 am
Contact:

Re: Recruiting isn't over until it's over

Post by Oracle » Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:24 am

Wow. You date yourself in terms of longevity on the forum. It's an old mantra coined by yours truly when the WR.com forum was in its hay day. You are correct, it refers to financial aid. Everyone in D1 is limited to 9.9 wrestling scholarships -- it used to be 11 but the NCAA , in their infinite wisdom, cut it by 10% -- hence 9.9.

Everyone, that is, except for the Service Academies (Army, Navy, Air Force) and the Ivies. The Ivy League treats all candidates for admission the same, whether they be regular students or athletes, with regard to offering financial aid. Theoretically, an Ivy could offer 30 full rides if their recruits demonstrate sufficient need. While tuition at the ivies is very steep, if they want someone, financial aid is never an issue. When parents ask about scholarship limitations, Ivy coaches laugh and say "9.9 is for suckers!" Meanwhile, state schools can offer in-state tuition. That covers 3/4 of the equation. The remaining 1/4 are the private, non-Ivy schools -- these are bound by 9.9 with no Service Academy stipends, no Power 5 $6000 stipends, no unlimited Ivy financial aid, no in-state tuition. The short list: Lehigh, Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, American, Bucknell, Drexel, Hofstra .... there may be a few others.

Of course, Ivy defenders bristle at this suggestion with the most bristling coming from guess who? Ding, ding, ding, ding.....Cornell who can also offer SUNY-Ithaca admissions. It's a loophole coach Koll has driven an 18-wheeler through. All legal and ethical IMO. Just the facts ma'am, just the facts.
TMH
Posts: 2076
Joined: Mon May 07, 2018 2:35 pm
Contact:

Re: Recruiting isn't over until it's over

Post by TMH » Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:44 am

OK...I admit to being naive on this subject but does their "aid" scenario differ drastically from Lehigh except perhaps quantity.

Lehigh is limited to the 9.9 athletic scholarships which I assume comes from the funds set up by a group of very generous alumni a long time ago. We do however have about 40 wrestlers in the room. The vast majority of them are at least state place winners but get no athletic aid. Lehigh has indicated that at least half of the students on campus get need based aid amount to $40-50K. Many of our athletes get academic aid.Rob Rohn took his 5th and most famous year as a Presidential Scholar. I'm guessing that Lehigh also provides some money to attract some diversity etc.

We can argue all day that any school has a fair or unfair advantage over Lehigh in recruiting. State schools are much cheaper, with lower academic requirements, better training facilities, meal money etc. It is what it is. We learn to accentuate all the positives that we offer and try to minimize the deficits.In a way I get a kind of perverse enjoyment when we overcome those odds to beat an Arizona St. for example.
NothingMeaningful
Posts: 752
Joined: Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:57 am
Contact:

Re: Recruiting isn't over until it's over

Post by NothingMeaningful » Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:14 am

Oracle wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:24 am
Of course, Ivy defenders bristle at this suggestion with the most bristling coming from guess who? Ding, ding, ding, ding.....Cornell who can also offer SUNY-Ithaca admissions. It's a loophole coach Koll has driven an 18-wheeler through. All legal and ethical IMO. Just the facts ma'am, just the facts.
Talk about tedium: it's like Groundhog Day around here.
Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 54 guests