Interesting Ivy Intentions

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Post by drd5748 » Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:09 pm

>>> You’re all the same group that would be virulently anti-vax had Trump won the election.

.... In addition to the fact that Lehigh as a university has become as liberal as most Ivy schools, am pretty sure it's a bad idea in America to paint one poster into a corner as if he thinks like everyone else in "his sphere"

.... On Sept 1 the LUWN will begin coverage on able bodies planning to suit up in 2021-22. Can only hope for max vaxx's.


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Re: Interesting Ivy Intentions

Post by DF2002 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:41 pm

Some of us don’t form opinions about things like vaccines based on who occupies the White House.

Perhaps you do… and if so, that’s your problem.

For many (and I think this includes others on this forum- I think), if you agree with the idea that people should be able to refuse a vaccine it’s still incredibly troubling that it is the choice of so many.

So yes- freedom… but for god’s sake exercise it responsibly and thoughtfully. There’s nothing liberal about that. It actually used to be a very CONSERVATIVE sentiment.

As for those opposed to vaccine and taking animal dewormer -they are a compete lost cause immune from reason/logic. Don’t confuse stupidity with freedom-loving.




Mountain Hawk wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:57 pm
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Mountain Hawk wrote: Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:12 pm Thanks for the update on everything going on with Cornell’s stupid covid policy. Thank God they implemented all that to avoid the thousands of deaths experienced at PSU.

And yes, Freedom.
Another pious Ivy League liberal smashing away at Freedom. Go check out the US Constitution and for kicks, the Federalist papers. You’re all the same group that would be virulently anti-vax had Trump won the election.

In your spare time go finish the body count of healthy peak of fitness 18-23yr old wrestlers. Oh, done already?
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Post by Mountain Hawk » Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:26 am

DF2002 wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:41 pm Some of us don’t form opinions about things like vaccines based on who occupies the White House.
Perhaps you do… and if so, that’s your problem.

Some of you likely do is the point.

For many (and I think this includes others on this forum- I think), if you agree with the idea that people should be able to refuse a vaccine it’s still incredibly troubling that it is the choice of so many.

Incredibly troubling to you. The whole point, which you miss completely, is that forced vaxxes in order to participate in everyday life IS THE LOSS OF FREEDOM. Get your vax, wear a mask on top of that when you want and if you want, whatever. Forcing people, esp healthy 18-23yr olds, to take a vaccine is ridiculous. We had EIWAs and NCAAs and the teams that opted out because of vax mandates and virus fears dropped the ball. The lack of covid mass sickness event after those tourneys bears this out.

So yes- freedom… but for god’s sake exercise it responsibly and thoughtfully. There’s nothing liberal about that. It actually used to be a very CONSERVATIVE sentiment.

Exercise it responsibly and thoughtfully according to you. THAT, sir, is not freedom. That is called compliance with YOUR wishes.

As for those opposed to vaccine and taking animal dewormer -they are a compete lost cause immune from reason/logic. Don’t confuse stupidity with freedom-loving.

No idea what you're even talking about but if you want to take horse meds, then that is your choice. Considering your disjointed argument we all might be better off if you did.
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Post by gimpeltf » Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:52 am

So much shallow thinking going on.
Taking horse medicine is generally prohibited already.
It's prohibited to legally take prescription medicine without a prescription. It's not a choice.
The dangers at the EIWAs NCAAs were more with crowds in the stands than with the wrestlers themselves. Basically there weren't crowds so that wasn't an issue. The issue for the kids was in practice. And the kids did get sick. Not hospitalized but I know of a few kids (multiple sports) that had lingering symptoms that caused them to have trouble training and possibly lost the season as a result. And who knows if they passed it along or will have long term problems even if not exactly life threatening. The average "asymptomatic" person likely wouldn't notice or be terribly affected but a D1 athlete is.
And for the umpteenth time- mask wearing is NOT about your own freedom- it's about everyone's health. You have to wear seat belts, and that's generally only for your own benefit. You don't have the freedom to infect others.
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Post by Mountain Hawk » Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:30 am

gimpeltf wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:52 am So much shallow thinking going on.
Taking horse medicine is generally prohibited already.
It's prohibited to legally take prescription medicine without a prescription. It's not a choice.
The dangers at the EIWAs NCAAs were more with crowds in the stands than with the wrestlers themselves. Basically there weren't crowds so that wasn't an issue. The issue for the kids was in practice. And the kids did get sick. Not hospitalized but I know of a few kids (multiple sports) that had lingering symptoms that caused them to have trouble training and possibly lost the season as a result. And who knows if they passed it along or will have long term problems even if not exactly life threatening. The average "asymptomatic" person likely wouldn't notice or be terribly affected but a D1 athlete is.
And for the umpteenth time- mask wearing is NOT about your own freedom- it's about everyone's health. You have to wear seat belts, and that's generally only for your own benefit. You don't have the freedom to infect others.
Your face panty isn't doing a GD thing. If you're at such risk and that afraid then shelter in place by all means but driving half the businesses in this country to bankruptcy and creating a generation of government dependent socialists isn't going to solve the problem that COVID, in some form, is here to stay. Your anecdotal examples don't exactly scream "gimp is an epidemiologist so we should listen to him". Take your own preventative measures (masks, vax, hazmat suit, whatever), just don't impose your government mandate bullsh!t down on me.
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Re: Interesting Ivy Intentions

Post by DF2002 » Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:07 am

Mountain Hawk wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:26 am
DF2002 wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:41 pm Some of us don’t form opinions about things like vaccines based on who occupies the White House.
Perhaps you do… and if so, that’s your problem.

Some of you likely do is the point.

For many (and I think this includes others on this forum- I think), if you agree with the idea that people should be able to refuse a vaccine it’s still incredibly troubling that it is the choice of so many.

Incredibly troubling to you. The whole point, which you miss completely, is that forced vaxxes in order to participate in everyday life IS THE LOSS OF FREEDOM. Get your vax, wear a mask on top of that when you want and if you want, whatever. Forcing people, esp healthy 18-23yr olds, to take a vaccine is ridiculous. We had EIWAs and NCAAs and the teams that opted out because of vax mandates and virus fears dropped the ball. The lack of covid mass sickness event after those tourneys bears this out.

So yes- freedom… but for god’s sake exercise it responsibly and thoughtfully. There’s nothing liberal about that. It actually used to be a very CONSERVATIVE sentiment.

Exercise it responsibly and thoughtfully according to you. THAT, sir, is not freedom. That is called compliance with YOUR wishes.

As for those opposed to vaccine and taking animal dewormer -they are a compete lost cause immune from reason/logic. Don’t confuse stupidity with freedom-loving.

No idea what you're even talking about but if you want to take horse meds, then that is your choice. Considering your disjointed argument we all might be better off if you did.

Private schools also have rights and they can require vaccines to protect athletes, coaches and spectators. You don’t like it? Go somewhere else. That’s your choice. Forcing the schools to comply with YOUR wishes is a loss of their freedom. You have no inherent right to attend any particular school according to what YOU think they can or cannot require with respect to vaccines.

If your idea of freedom can’t differentiate between public and private entities, it’s very thin gruel indeed.

My comment about the horse dewormer is to highlight the idea that while everyone has an equal right to make a choice, not all choices are equal. And I know you agree with the idea that some choices are better than other cause to disagree is synonymous with nihilism.
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Re: Interesting Ivy Intentions

Post by gimpeltf » Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:27 am

Mountain Hawk wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:30 am
gimpeltf wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 7:52 am So much shallow thinking going on.
Taking horse medicine is generally prohibited already.
It's prohibited to legally take prescription medicine without a prescription. It's not a choice.
The dangers at the EIWAs NCAAs were more with crowds in the stands than with the wrestlers themselves. Basically there weren't crowds so that wasn't an issue. The issue for the kids was in practice. And the kids did get sick. Not hospitalized but I know of a few kids (multiple sports) that had lingering symptoms that caused them to have trouble training and possibly lost the season as a result. And who knows if they passed it along or will have long term problems even if not exactly life threatening. The average "asymptomatic" person likely wouldn't notice or be terribly affected but a D1 athlete is.
And for the umpteenth time- mask wearing is NOT about your own freedom- it's about everyone's health. You have to wear seat belts, and that's generally only for your own benefit. You don't have the freedom to infect others.
Your face panty isn't doing a GD thing. If you're at such risk and that afraid then shelter in place by all means but driving half the businesses in this country to bankruptcy and creating a generation of government dependent socialists isn't going to solve the problem that COVID, in some form, is here to stay. Your anecdotal examples don't exactly scream "gimp is an epidemiologist so we should listen to him". Take your own preventative measures (masks, vax, hazmat suit, whatever), just don't impose your government mandate bullsh!t down on me.
Can't get out of the shallow end, I see?
If people had actually done the right thing spring 2020 we might not have had to have had more mandates.
Umpteen + 1- your wearing a mask is for me, my wearing one is for you.
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Re: Interesting Ivy Intentions

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jdalu75 » Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:44 am


Is this a reference to Government misinformation...a la CDC?
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Post by TMH » Tue Aug 31, 2021 3:34 pm

LU808 wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 2:24 pm jdalu75 » Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:44 am


Is this a reference to Government misinformation...a la CDC?
This is a reply to your comment but it is meant for everyone. Do your research. Take nothing at face value but keep your mind open. The numbers are staggering. There have been more lives lost to this disease in 1 1/2 years as in the Civil War on both sides by all means including disease. The only two causes of death that surpasses it are heart disease and cancer and neither is a contagion.

The information that has come out of the CDC is based on science. Science is always evolving based on updated information but on the big issues they have been quite accurate. If you would like to discuss this on a non-public board, feel free to send me a message.

I am probably not the only one that would love to dedicate this board to wrestling discussion. The internet is filled with sites for those who want to vent their spleen. Go there.
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