Tate Samuelson. 184. Wyoming

[gimpeltf]

Multiple quality at the same weight often worked out for them. These days less so due to kids wanting to start all four years but in the seventies we were overloaded with 134s. (rich-b and drd and jda can help me) but Frick, toth, vaihinger, p Sculley, wrestled some bouts the same year. I remember Jack scharff (might have been slightly earlier but some of the other guys were around then also) being thought of by some of us thornburgers as possibly the best 4th or 5th stringer in three country.

[Richb-3]

One interesting history I noted poking around those years 1973-74. Jeff Boyd wrestled one Dual. He lost to Ashley of Wilkes 5-2.

What I remember is 1975 - 150. Pat Sculley had wrestle 1.
Frick Wrestled 4, after the Iowa St match in which He did Not Wrestle at all, had he wrestled we likely win the dual.
Glenn Willard, injured football
Jeff Duke was 2-2-1 I see he also wrestled Ashley, Wilkes.
Mark Stauffer, unfortunately in Grace was never up to his talent, or his room Results.
We had to Brothers named Emmerson, one Transfer from Navy, another Navy Prep. Both left early.
I think there was another potential guy. ???
But we of course had undersized Armin Vahinger doing yeoman work the end of the season at 150.2-4-2 not bad for ninth string.

[jdalu75]

Multiple quality at the same weight often worked out for them. These days less so due to kids wanting to start all four years but in the seventies we were overloaded with 134s. (rich-b and drd and jda can help me) but Frick, toth, vaihinger, p Sculley, wrestled some bouts the same year. I remember Jack scharff (might have been slightly earlier but some of the other guys were around then also) being thought of by some of us thornburgers as possibly the best 4th or 5th stringer in three country.

Vaihinger wrestled 134 in 1972-73, then 150 in 1974-75 and 1975-76. No varsity bouts in 73-74.

In 1973-74 Frick was at 126 all year. Pat Sculley and Toth split 134 most of the year; both wrestled at least once at 142. Tom Sculley wrestled 142 all season, 150 once, 134 only against Penn State and tournaments. Bob Keating wrestled 134 against Michigan State.

In 1974-75 Bob Sloand, Toth, and Frick all wrestled at 134 early on. Pat Sculley wrestled 142 all year, with Frick wrestling there a few times. Stauffer went 0-6 at 150, eventually replaced by Vaihinger after Frick's four bouts there. After Sloand was injured against Cal Poly Marty Lynn took over at 126.

[Mountain Hawk]

You guys cutting in here when MH was getting Dad's Natl Mat News (and AWN) delivered to the house and going thru the box scores. Could smell the Midwest bias on the latter even as a kid and always enjoyed the east coast wins over "higher ranked Midwesterners".
Would think that if a kid had a chance to wrestle 2 or 3 years as a starter at our program they'd be willing to wait a year or two. Hell we're not Iowa so if you're that good you'd be starting all 4 right?

Question for the board:
In the 60's-70's period did anyone think about lineup redundancy? Were injuries as common as they seem now?

We seem to have been fortunate to at least put out a competitive kid at every weight even in the worst of our most injured periods. Sometimes we put out a near equal - if only different styled - backup.

Depth totally required in the modern day to compete

[Oracle]

MH is quite right.

Lehigh's M.O. was having strong starters with little backing them up. A far cry from what the situation is going into '22-'23 where we have, as was mentioned, line-up redundancy -- high quality at that.

IMO, Lehigh has not had this at any time in it's history, at least not as pervasively up and down the line-up.
1-Creates better wrestlers by having a super competitive room
2-Prevents packing your bags if someone is injured
3-Not sure if there is a #3 -- these two are enough for me

[Richb-3]

Back in the 80's we were eating at the Grotto. The Lady who owned the restaurant(sadly I do not remember her name) showed us a memento from the 1950s. A program for an F&M dual at Grace.

The expected Lineup was not shown. Instead, it showed the full Roster for Freshman and Varsity.

About 16 Frosh and 32 Varsity. for F&M. Lehigh's rosters were half again as large. Many guys on the Roster who never wrestled a bout. but practiced all 4 years.

[JAD77]

Back in the 80's we were eating at the Grotto. The Lady who owned the restaurant(sadly I do not remember her name) showed us a memento from the 1950s.

The Grotto! What a great memory! Loved eating there. Good food, very inexpensive.

[Oracle]

Interesting how these threads get killed.

[mookie]

Nothing more interesting than musings about shitty wrestlers from 50 years ago.

[Oracle]

I suppose the over-arching conclusion one can draw is that Tate Samuelson is a high quailty transfer and the likely starter. Four years at Wyoming, former Big 12 runner-up, many ranked wins, and 2-2 at NCAAs this past year.
2X Colorado state champ in high school.

With news of Caden Rogers pulling down, it begged the question of depth....serious depth from stem to stern.
So I agree with you mookie that a LU dual program from the '50s has zero relevance to this thread.

The woman who owned The Grotto was named Marie.