Friday Afternoon Trivia

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Friday Afternoon Trivia

Post by Oracle » Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:39 pm

Name the only All-American in D1 college history to place 4th with out scoring a single point in any of his 4 bouts.
How did he do it?


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Re: Friday Afternoon Trivia

Post by mookie » Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:46 pm

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Re: Friday Afternoon Trivia

Post by Oracle » Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:53 pm

Very funny. Waters was back-up to Dick Meyer until he broke his ankle late in the '69 season. Waters stepped up big time beating Balmat of PSU to make the EIWA finals. Funny thing: Waters wrestled 137 in the dual before Meyer's injury then cut to 123 and won the last 2 duals prior to Easterns. He beat Ron Thrasher, OKla St Big 8 champ in wrestle-backs at NCAAs. He got hot at the right time.
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Re: Friday Afternoon Trivia

Post by drd5748 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 8:10 pm

So The Oracle suckered me into using Boomer's Database to try find an official answer.

Ron Good of AWN suckered me into working backward from pre-WW II seasons as possible weird bracket exceptions. But different rules meant no bout scores ifor he first dozen or so brackets

Obvious 1st step: find all shutouts for 3rd/4th place or WBF, WFT.

Good luck to all victims of the O's most insane wrestling trivia question I've ever seen

I've completed all brackets from Yr 1 (1928) up thru 1970 - and still have no answer -- although 2 guys came close to zero pts (not important who). Fans are welcome to search 1971 to now; I'm done trying
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Re: Friday Afternoon Trivia

Post by drd5748 » Sun Aug 28, 2022 1:52 pm

Jim Kalin, editor, AWN has researched 1980-89; also the last two NCAAs. Nyet.

AWN is interesting in publishing, assuming that there actually IS an answer. O ?
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Re: Friday Afternoon Trivia

Post by Oracle » Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:59 pm

Oh, there most certainly is an answer ....... the year was 1956 ....... the weight class was 157 ...... the wrestler was from Lafayette College: LaRue Dillon.
1st round Lost to #4 seed Doug Blubaugh, OKla State 6-0 (Blubaugh finished 2nd)

Consi-round: Won by forfeit over #5 seed Bob Formanek, Iowa State who had lost 6-1 to Blubaugh in the quarters
Consi-round: Won by medical forfeit over #1 seed Mike Rodriquez, Michigan who lost by default to Blubaugh in the semis
Consi-fdor 3/4: Lost to unseeded Jerry Bross, Oklahoma 2-0

Dillon placed 4th and scored no points in doing so.
A unique feat that had never happened and will never happen again.
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Re: Friday Afternoon Trivia

Post by gimpeltf » Sun Aug 28, 2022 6:58 pm

Oracle wrote: Sun Aug 28, 2022 5:59 pm Oh, there most certainly is an answer ....... the year was 1956 ....... the weight class was 157 ...... the wrestler was from Lafayette College: LaRue Dillon.
1st round Lost to #4 seed Doug Blubaugh, OKla State 6-0 (Blubaugh finished 2nd)

Consi-round: Won by forfeit over #5 seed Bob Formanek, Iowa State who had lost 6-1 to Blubaugh in the quarters
Consi-round: Won by medical forfeit over #1 seed Mike Rodriquez, Michigan who lost by default to Blubaugh in the semis
Consi-fdor 3/4: Lost to unseeded Jerry Bross, Oklahoma 2-0

Dillon placed 4th and scored no points in doing so.
A unique feat that had never happened and will never happen again.
Hmm, interesting.
A minor detail- med ffts didn't start until mid 90s as I recall. (I asked for them one year at NCAAs).
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Re: Friday Afternoon Trivia

Post by Oracle » Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:26 am

Gimp: blame Boomer for that. It's listed in his database as a 'Medical FFT' --- seems logical since the guy defaulted in the semis.

Hmm .... I find it interesting this is your only comment regarding this unique piece of trivia.
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Re: Friday Afternoon Trivia

Post by gimpeltf » Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:48 am

Oracle wrote: Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:26 am Gimp: blame Boomer for that. It's listed in his database as a 'Medical FFT' --- seems logical since the guy defaulted in the semis.

Hmm .... I find it interesting this is your only comment regarding this unique piece of trivia.
I wasn't blaming you. I knew it came from Boomer. I'm sure if it had been about 40 years later that it would have been given that assessment.
When I saw the question, I wondered if you were going back to the 30s and found a 4/5/6 man-weight but I realized you said 4 bouts. I think the most you could have wrestled (losing all) would have been 3 under the weird bracketing of the time. Lose one to the champ in the initial bracket. Lose one to the winner of the second place bracket and one in the 3rd place bracket. I suppose a fft/def win might have settled the number of bouts but I would have complained about calling him 4th place when they only assigned 3 at the time.
I vaguely remember someone else (late 70s early 80s) that placed (Rudy Isom- 167 1984 Wisc) that might not have scored any offensive points. Won a 1-0, fft, fft (listed as med) lost 4-3 and 4-2. If he scored offensively it was likely in the opening 4-3 loss but could still all be escapes.
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Re: Friday Afternoon Trivia

Post by Oracle » Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:17 am

Agree....but Isom scored some points....Dillon score zero points and was an "All-American" -- was he Lafayette's only one?

BTW, losing 6-0 to Blubaugh and 2-0 to Bross means he was probably still pretty tough.
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