Brackets 8pm Wednesday

[Oracle]

Head-to-head --- Crookham was there in Stillwater, Fix wasn't.

[lu_alum]

Head-to-head --- Crookham was there in Stillwater, Fix wasn't.

Fix was in Stillwater. He didn’t take the mat.

[whiz wit]

Trying to make sense of the Crookham-Fix seeding. According to Flo, here's the analysis:

Head-to-head competition — 25 percent
Quality wins — 20 percent
Coaches Ranking — 15 percent
Results against common opponents — 10 percent
RPI (Ratings Percentage Index) — 10 percent
Qualifying event placement — 10 percent
Win % — 10 percent

Head to head: None

Quality wins: Depends upon what's a quality win and how individual quality wins are weighted:
Crookham with 3 wins over arguable Top 10 guys (2 over Arujau, 1 over Nagao)
Fix with 3 wins over arguable Top 10 guys (1 over Orine, 2 over Frost)
Crookham with 3 wins over arguable Top 20 guys (same as above)
Fix with 6 wins over arguable Top 20 guys (same as above plus Teske, Edmund & Chlebove)

Coaches ranking: Crookham #1

Results against common opponents: How do the scores come into play?
Against Phipps, Fix got fall, Crookham won 10-3
Against Santaniello, Fix won 10-0, Crookham won 10-2

RPI: Does de minimus difference matter?
Fix - .717
Crookham - .711

Qualifying event placement
Both finished 1st

Win %
Both undefeated

[lu_alum]

Trying to make sense of the Crookham-Fix seeding. According to Flo, here's the analysis:

Head-to-head competition — 25 percent
Quality wins — 20 percent
Coaches Ranking — 15 percent
Results against common opponents — 10 percent
RPI (Ratings Percentage Index) — 10 percent
Qualifying event placement — 10 percent
Win % — 10 percent

Head to head: None

Quality wins: Depends upon what's a quality win and how individual quality wins are weighted:
Crookham with 3 wins over arguable Top 10 guys (2 over Arujau, 1 over Nagao)
Fix with 3 wins over arguable Top 10 guys (1 over Orine, 2 over Frost)
Crookham with 3 wins over arguable Top 20 guys (same as above)
Fix with 6 wins over arguable Top 20 guys (same as above plus Teske, Edmund & Chlebove)

Coaches ranking: Crookham #1

Results against common opponents: How do the scores come into play?
Against Phipps, Fix got fall, Crookham won 10-3
Against Santaniello, Fix won 10-0, Crookham won 10-2

RPI: Does de minimus difference matter?
Fix - .717
Crookham - .711

Qualifying event placement
Both finished 1st

Win %
Both undefeated

Quality Win defined as those in the 33-man bracket, plus those who earned AQ for their conference but did not qualify for NCAA.

Scores have no effect. It is simply win or loss.

My take is that is was literally a coin flip, and the committee used subjective assessment to adjust Fix into the #1.

[whiz wit]

Thanks, lu_alum. Very interesting.

All wins over top 33/prior allocation winners count the same? Crookham's 2 wins over Arujau count the same as Fix wins over guys seeded, say, in the mid to upper 20s?

And given the "win is a win" attitude, I wouldn't be surprised if Fix got the full 10% by virtue of his negligible .006 advantage in RPI.

[lu_alum]

Thanks, lu_alum. Very interesting.

All wins over top 33/prior allocation winners count the same? Crookham's 2 wins over Arujau count the same as Fix wins over guys seeded, say, in the mid to upper 20s?

And given the "win is a win" attitude, I wouldn't be surprised if Fix got the full 10% by virtue of his negligible .006 advantage in RPI.

Here's the guidance document. Slides 14-15 cover quality wins and tiers.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/champi ... rocess.pdf

[Richb-3]

What is shocking is that there is no consideration for quality losses.

Beard's one loss is to #2. Tanner Sloan's loss is to #10. There is no doubt Beard was screwed. Sloan had more wins against top 10, Beard had more wins. Beards bonus wins percentage was 16 more.

[whiz wit]

Thanks, lu_alum. Very interesting.

All wins over top 33/prior allocation winners count the same? Crookham's 2 wins over Arujau count the same as Fix wins over guys seeded, say, in the mid to upper 20s?

And given the "win is a win" attitude, I wouldn't be surprised if Fix got the full 10% by virtue of his negligible .006 advantage in RPI.

Here's the guidance document. Slides 14-15 cover quality wins and tiers.
https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/champi ... rocess.pdf

Got it. Not up for calculating them, but that must mean that Fix scored more points on quality wins notwithstanding Crookham's 2 wins over Arujau.

I also see that RPI is 10%/0. Crookham might well have lost #1 by that .006 RPI by which he trailed Fix.

[ngineer]

Let’s hope this gives the guys a little bit more incentive….as if they should need it

[Oracle]

May I politely ask what difference does it make? If you are seeded 1-4, you have no excuse for not making the quarterfinals. That's the reward for a high seed. So if you're #1 or #2 - what difference, really, does it make?

The object for any wrestler seed that high (1 thru 4) is to win the tournament. Does it matter if Beard has Brooks in the semis? No. He has to beat him to win either way to win it. He either has Hidlay in the semis or the finals, so saying he was "screwed" is a little dramatic.

Once the seeds come out, you go into accomplishment mode...blocking out any negative. For an elite wrestler to look ahead in the brackets is ill-advised. Win and advance.....then plan for the next guy in front of you. Coaching staffs are prepping based on the brackets right now, but they would never talk to their wrestlers about a guy they might meet in the quarters before they wrestled their R1 bout. They will talk about the upcoming opponent and anything they know about him, and weight management for the following day's weigh-in. And they will keep it light and relaxing.

IMO.